2007 football schedules

**imported_biggamesjames** · June 15th, 2007, 05:28 PM

Just want to clarify a few things posted concerning the '93 Haysi-PV Region D Championship game since I do have the game stashed away somewhere on VHS. Yes, it was a 99 yard punt return that put Haysi in the lead 14-12 with a little over 3 minutes to go in the game. My little brother Blaine fielded that punt by one of the best punters in the state at that time (Joel Davis) who had seemingly pinned Haysi deep with a nice kick. Prior to that though my other little brother Tim made an equally important play when he recovered a surprise onside kick to open the 2nd half and cut PV's lead to 12-7 after they had taken a 12-0 half time lead and looked well in control. They actually were on the verge of going up 18-0 just before half time but Todd Zirkle who was qb at the time was picked off by Blaine in the end zone after Jones had broken a run down inside the 20.

I thought PV was the better team that year. A couple of timely plays at crucial moments turned the tide in Haysi's favor. While PV may not have beaten Giles(who would go on to win state) the next week they still had a solid club. By the way Jones did start at tailback that game. Bishop started too but spent most of his time lined up in a wing back position and the carries he had were primarily of the scissors trap variety and mis direction plays. He actually broke one of them for a long touchdown run with a nice lead block on the corner from Jones.

Haysi had a much better team than PV in '05 despite the close score and my sr year('91) when we played them we were at least 3 or 4 TD's better but they somehow managed to stay in the game and keep it respectable due to us having several scores called back by penalty. '93 was the opposite imho though because PV was the better team but couldn't pull it out. PV was a slightly better team than Haysi in'94 but the game was MUCH closer than the actual score ended up being. In '95 PV was far and away the better team when the two played. Same in '90 but the difference was not to the degree that it was in '95.

**imported_biggamesjames** · June 15th, 2007, 05:54 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't count on it...and I don't consider a team great until they bring home a state championship...district and region d crowns are nice lil accomplishments...but the ultimate goal is a state crown...that is the qualifier for a great team. </div></div>

The only thing that has prevented Haysi from having multiple state titles has been the VHSL's disproportionate and unfair grouping system. There have been several years when Haysi has had the best football team in the state of any school with an enrollment under 400. Problem is they've played Region C schools with twice their enrollment in the state playoffs. My senior year we finished the season ranked 3rd in the state while the top two ranked schools had recently dropped down from AA with close to 600 enrollment and us barely over 300. I agree that it takes a state title to call a team great but defining greatness is tricky with the VHSL's "FUBAR'd" system. It's easy to say Appy had some great teams in the past coz they won division 1 championships. Haysi(along with Clintwood and a few others) though have been a little less fortunate due to what borders on open discrimination by the league in which they play. Haysi, Clintwood, Burton and Appy are much closer in size than say Haysi, GC, Giles and Lebanon. I'm happy that it is at least fixed for Haysi now but still not happy that Clintwood and possibly Castlewood will still be getting screwed. If they are going to keep going with this messed up alignment they might as well throw out all divisions and just have one state champion in the entire state. Let's see how many state championships PV, GC or even Richlands would win against say Hampton Roads, Phoebus, TC Williams or whoever?

Greatness is relative. I doubt PV would have many if any teams people would call great if they would've had to face the same odds as Haysi to win their titles. They would've had to have beaten the best team in the state with at least twice their enrollment in all of those years(1000 & under). They've never had to do that yet. I'm not sure that any school has ever done that? Be interesting to research that.

**imported_Hokies4Ever** · June 15th, 2007, 07:00 PM

Richlands this past year beat Rockbridge Co. who has and enrollment of 1200. It has been unfair that Haysi has had to travel the paths that they have. In my opinion the year they went 9-1 they were in the top 5 of the state. The VHSL is going to have to do something about it. Now with Va High and Lee High now dropping to Single A. There double the enrollment of the teams they would possibly matchup with in the playoffs. If they would drop Haysi to Div 1 they could win a state title. Because in Div. 2 you have to go through Giles right now and Powell Valley is the only team with the talent level right now to do that.

**sup-rbeast** · June 15th, 2007, 11:17 PM

The enrollment differences haven't always been as large as they currently are. When I was at PV our enrollment fluctuated between 400-425 for those 3 years. At the time most region D division 2 teams were in the same relative vicinity enrollment wise. It's ludicrous to say that enrollment is the major reason a team wins a state championship at the division 2 level. It may apply to division 1. But once a school has 300 students, it shouldn't be hard to field a team. As far as PV goes, over half of their Championship teams could have beaten any other State Champion that was AA or smaller. Heck far, I know it is relative, but in 90 PV beat up a Lee team that made the division 4 finals and gave Tabb all they wanted. Lee came up short, but at the time they had close to 1200 kids. In addition, Central Lunenburg lost to PV during 3 state finals but in the course of the years had beaten most of the powerhouse programs in the Eastern part of the state. Outside of 3 losses to PV, they may have only been beaten 3-5 times in 9-10 years. So what I'm saying is this: In division 2, blaming enrollment for coming up short is like crying over spilt milk. Championships is where greatness lies...that is why it is so hard to win one. And when it is all said and done, it is easy to make excuses for not winning one...alot easier than it is to win one.

**imported_VHSLhelper** · June 16th, 2007, 09:15 AM

cvcgrad : about Haysi-PV : impossible. They didn't play in the regular season when the Jones' were there.
Seems like sup-r is saying that the '93 team couldn't have beaten Giles.

pre-Jones era :
1990 - Haysi loses season opener to PV, which goes 14-0.
1991 - Haysi wins season opener; PV goes 5-5.
Thomas era :
1993 - Haysi wins playoff game, then loses to Giles - TJ was player of the year
1994 - Haysi loses playoff game - PV wins state - TJ was PoY again
Julius era :
1995 - Haysi loses playoff game - PV wins state - JJ made all Region D.
1996, 97, 98 - didn't meet.

**Ironlung** · June 16th, 2007, 11:52 AM

I hate to bang on you Helper, but I think the years you've got the Jones's as POTY are wrong. I know TJ wasn't POTY in 93. Bishop was the feature back for PV that year. 94 was my senior year and nobody had even heard of TJ until the week before we played them. That's when he went crazy for like 450 yards against JIB. I think if you bump the POTY up one year from every year you have them, you'll be correct.

**sup-rbeast** · June 16th, 2007, 02:38 PM

TJ's last season was 95...JJ's was 98...PV played Haysi in the playoffs in 85 on their way to their 2nd state title as well. And, lung is right..TJ was player of the year in 94 and 95...wasn't even the starting feature back in 93.

**imported_VHSLhelper** · June 16th, 2007, 07:21 PM

you're right - I put the PoY's on the wrong years - it was 94 & 95 for TJ.
That's what I hate most about trying to keep up with football - when I think back to a year, such as 95, I wonder if that was the year he graduated or the year he played last - got'um confused this time - thanks for the catch.

**imported_Hokies4Ever** · June 17th, 2007, 12:34 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Counts</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure how PV will do I think the Lebanon game will not be as close as some think. Not sure how well Richlands will replace the stars they lost off that team (right now I think there will be a dropoff but maybe not to big a dropoff) PV is now in GCs head and barrings something big I think PV will take that game as well.....IMHO Burton is the only single A school in region D that will challenge PV (not saying that they will not slip up a take a loss somewhere else alone the way but they probably should not) IMHO 9-1 to 8-2 is where I see the Vikes this season (7-3 or worse with this team would have to be seen as a disappointment)</div></div>

**imported_Hokies4Ever** · June 17th, 2007, 12:40 AM

If the QB from PV doesnt get to play and cant stretch the field against Richlands i see PV losing by 2 to 3 td's because Richlands returns 8 starters off of a defense that has only given up 108 pts the last 2 season combined in the regular season. And as for richlands offense. Who ever there playing against better have a defense that is very very and disciplined. With Austin Fuller taking over the QB spot you cant rush them like you could last year because he'll burn you with his legs and if you sit back in coverage in a zone he'll find a guy. I guess thats why VA Tech loves him so much.